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	<title>Comments on: Into the dark</title>
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	<description>Ecological crisis and archaeologies of consciousness</description>
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		<title>By: Gyrus</title>
		<link>http://dreamflesh.com/blog/2007/02/dreamwork/#comment-316</link>
		<dc:creator>Gyrus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've been aware of Thomas Moore since getting into Hillman - I'm sure I'll get round to him one day! I've just started re-reading 'The Dream &#038; The Underworld' in the wake of this discussion, actually - it's a cracking book.

As for "ways of overcoming the puzzle", I think you're closer to my current take when you say you "resonate with the puzzle". That cliche about life not being a puzzle to be solved but a mystery to be lived... easier said than accepted!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been aware of Thomas Moore since getting into Hillman - I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;ll get round to him one day! I&#8217;ve just started re-reading &#8216;The Dream &#038; The Underworld&#8217; in the wake of this discussion, actually - it&#8217;s a cracking book.</p>
<p>As for &#8220;ways of overcoming the puzzle&#8221;, I think you&#8217;re closer to my current take when you say you &#8220;resonate with the puzzle&#8221;. That cliche about life not being a puzzle to be solved but a mystery to be lived&#8230; easier said than accepted!</p>
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		<title>By: Joakim</title>
		<link>http://dreamflesh.com/blog/2007/02/dreamwork/#comment-315</link>
		<dc:creator>Joakim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas Moore writes about this non-interpretive approach to dreams (and life!) in his book "Care of the Soul". Have you heard of it? Moore is a student of Hillman (among other things), and has a lot of good things to say about his way of handling life, dreams and suffering. It was a long time since I read it but I will dip into it and get back to you, maybe offering ways of overcoming the puzzle you mention. I sure resonate with that puzzle, and being born with an overactive mind I have a hard time not interpreting things! But maybe thatÂ´s just how things are and something to accept?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas Moore writes about this non-interpretive approach to dreams (and life!) in his book &#8220;Care of the Soul&#8221;. Have you heard of it? Moore is a student of Hillman (among other things), and has a lot of good things to say about his way of handling life, dreams and suffering. It was a long time since I read it but I will dip into it and get back to you, maybe offering ways of overcoming the puzzle you mention. I sure resonate with that puzzle, and being born with an overactive mind I have a hard time not interpreting things! But maybe thatÂ´s just how things are and something to accept?</p>
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		<title>By: Gyrus</title>
		<link>http://dreamflesh.com/blog/2007/02/dreamwork/#comment-308</link>
		<dc:creator>Gyrus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole body/dream, matter/spirit relationship is something that seems more and more complex as I go on! Discovering Hillman's work was a big thing for me because so much of it felt so in tune with my take on things, but at the same time he undermines a lot of the things I felt I'd "discovered" or "worked out" about mind/body stuff.

I'm still fascinated by Reich's bodywork, and Arnold Mindell's "dreambody" concept, that sees dreams and body sensations as different forms of the same thing. But there's something in &lt;i&gt;The Dream and the Underworld&lt;/i&gt; (which Hillman admits is exaggerated to make a point - he sees "chuztpah" as  part of his method!) that seems really important and intriguing, worth grappling with even (or especially) if you don't get any "conclusion" or "model of reality" from it.

What puzzles me most is: if dreams aren't literal, surely they're metaphorical. And metaphor implies interpretation, no? So what exactly is a non-interpretive approach to dreams? It's a lot to do with complexifying our simplistic reactions, I think - letting metaphors unfold, but in a way that resonates with the sensibility of dreams themselves. Not easy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole body/dream, matter/spirit relationship is something that seems more and more complex as I go on! Discovering Hillman&#8217;s work was a big thing for me because so much of it felt so in tune with my take on things, but at the same time he undermines a lot of the things I felt I&#8217;d &#8220;discovered&#8221; or &#8220;worked out&#8221; about mind/body stuff.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still fascinated by Reich&#8217;s bodywork, and Arnold Mindell&#8217;s &#8220;dreambody&#8221; concept, that sees dreams and body sensations as different forms of the same thing. But there&#8217;s something in <i>The Dream and the Underworld</i> (which Hillman admits is exaggerated to make a point - he sees &#8220;chuztpah&#8221; as  part of his method!) that seems really important and intriguing, worth grappling with even (or especially) if you don&#8217;t get any &#8220;conclusion&#8221; or &#8220;model of reality&#8221; from it.</p>
<p>What puzzles me most is: if dreams aren&#8217;t literal, surely they&#8217;re metaphorical. And metaphor implies interpretation, no? So what exactly is a non-interpretive approach to dreams? It&#8217;s a lot to do with complexifying our simplistic reactions, I think - letting metaphors unfold, but in a way that resonates with the sensibility of dreams themselves. Not easy!</p>
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		<title>By: Joakim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joakim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 08:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re. the last quotation from Hillman: DidnÂ´t you relate Dreams and "shamanic" experiences to the body in one of your old essays? Do you disagree with Hillman, changed your view or have I somewhat misinterpreted what you said in that essay?

Interesting post. I really got to start working on my dreams again. As things are now, I either donÂ´t dream or just donÂ´t remember them at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re. the last quotation from Hillman: DidnÂ´t you relate Dreams and &#8220;shamanic&#8221; experiences to the body in one of your old essays? Do you disagree with Hillman, changed your view or have I somewhat misinterpreted what you said in that essay?</p>
<p>Interesting post. I really got to start working on my dreams again. As things are now, I either donÂ´t dream or just donÂ´t remember them at all.</p>
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